3rd ARB year was supposed to be $21.5 MM. Strider has improved his reputation this season. Imagine if they wouldve locked up Soroka. Explain to me the worth in that? Past that, I think all these extensions are based on the character of the player as much as talent. By all the offensive players Im assuming youre only referring to Harris? Signing Strider screwed their budget for no good reason. Let's check, How Rich is Duane, What is the Net Worth of Spencer Strider? All rights reserved. Many observers have compared Strider's pitching style to Houston Astros ace Justin Verlander. While I have been a fan of the other extensions, this extension scares me a bit. Read more at MLB Trade Rumors. A pitcher with arm troubles will usually have some for of trouble again and that volatility is increased exponentially by the stature of the pitcher. Thats hilarious. If the Braves pick up that net $17MM option for the 29 campaign, Strider will earn a total of $92MM over seven years. Get it done AA. 5-to-1 Strider has TJ surgery again in the next 5 years. Brilliant! Neither Strider nor Harris II were ranked in the top 100 prospects by the media outlets that MLB is using to qualify rookies for increased service time and teams getting extra draft picks. I feel good, and hopefully, it keeps trending in that direction.. This is their first long-term contract extension with a young pitcher. The contract, which covers the 2023-28 seasons, also contains a $22MM club option for the 2029 season. Early Years of Spencer Strider Because they didnt try to Kris Bryant him it has no bearing on his service time or his Super Two status. Love to see this for a team and their fan base, Win win for both sides. They also have a lot of money coming off the books this yr and next with internal options available to replace these players. Strider will be Super Two because he will be top 2 in ROY voting and that earns him and extra year of service time in the new CBA. Strider will be a Super Two and have 4 arbitration years. The Red Sox had the opportunity to do so with Betts, Bogaerts, and Devers a few years ago and blew the opportunity. Agree MFF. People dont seem to understand just how good Striders peripherals are. Waves of injuries can derail any team at any time, but health-permitting, the Braves are going to be good for a long, long time. The remaining $20-25M will be shared with the rest of the guys who arent arb. Just here for Mets fans comments. This is irrelevant, this is such a stupid overpay. To think 6 years ago Braves fans on here were defending their FO not trading Jim Johnson at the trade deadline and acting like finishing with a better record than the Phillies and Reds that year was going to lead to a giant step forward. Some recent examplesHarvey (lol), Matz, Gsellman, etc. I have faith in you to sign you right now. Darius Vines, RHP 5. ATLANTA -- Within a matter of minutes, the Spencer Strider narrative changed from: How effective might he be in the National League Division Series to how effective might he be through at least the 2028 season? He was on the major league roster all season. "EXTENDED @Braves have signed RHP Spencer Strider to a six year contract extension worth $75M. $35 million is reasonable figure for FA. For reference, Kris Bryant was a lock to be a Super Two because he finished 2017 with 2 years and 171 days of service time. Bogaerts took an immensely friendly deal.. They have a big part of their core locked up for years and have set themselves on the path to being contenders for the next five years minimum. CBA has no affect on arb money because the union wouldnt let a segment of their members benefit in terms of general contract negotiations. Five years from now, a 28-year-old top-of-the-rotation pitcher in free agency will probably be getting $40MM+ per year. SALARY Bo Bichette, SS, TOR. I dont really comprehend the LOL. Luckily for the Braves, they have Strider under contract through 2029. Thats great, except he still has to win a Cy Young, get multiple All-Star games, and or win Gold Gloves. Hard to see that from a FO willing to let Freddie walk and who have Vaughn Grissom, a natural SS, ready to go. J.R. Ritchie, RHP 3. if they wait another year or two before extending him, they would have to add another 20-30 million on this extension for him to even consider it if he continues to perform anywhere close to this level. Braves righty Spencer Strider has been put on the 15-day injured list with a strained oblique muscle. The risks are present, but the reward is fantastic, not to mention that it gives you the inside track in a few years to talk a further extension. Since Strider stayed on the roster the whole year, his ROY placement (1st or 2nd) would only matter in terms of his team being able to add an extra mid-round draft pick for the Braves between the 1st and 2nd rounds as part of the new compensation for keeping top rated players on the roster from opening day forward.. No matter what, Strider is going to bank a full year of service in 2022, for anyone saying he will go to arbitration four times as a Super 2, the only way that would happen is if he sucked so bad in the next two years that he was optioned for 3 weeks to AAA for him to figure stuff out. I would rather be a free agent vs being drafted in 30th round. The Braves seem like they are making all these extensions so their front office can spend the next 4 winters in Bermuda instead of working. There is a reason pitchers are not given long term deals because it is more risky than giving those deals to hitters because of injury and even then, the hitters rarely justify the extensions. Strong post NashvilleJ: thanks for mentioning the agent relationship angle. They are most likely greatly overpaying on those arbitration years. Strider will make $1 million each of the next two seasons and $4 million in 2025. Cole has stated since he was in UCLA that he was a Yankee fan and wanted to be in pinstripes when he grew up, he was even drafted by the Yankees and chose college ball, but said it was a tough choice and hoped hed end up there eventually. Yeah Strider might get bonuses but it wouldnt be coming from the Braves, it would be coming from the league as a whole. Your login session has expired. Hes only done that once before (during condensed 2020 season). Genuinely curious. Players use that as a bargaining tactic all the time. 37. Acuna contract was great. They were 6.5 games ahead of the Braves on August 7. But since they extended him this is obviously all moot. Spencer Strider, RP, ATL. If thats true, the Braves would essentially be punting their $20M financial gain on his first FA year and option year. I picked it as a horse race, with the Mets tending to fall apart thanks to an old rotation and an old team, that would have trouble down the stretch. Say it once, see it 4-5 times. Strider is represented by Frontline. Career earnings will be less than $20M for his first full 5 seasons in the majors. Strider has two pitches. Marlins will never have the fanbase to be elite. Imagine they had given a deal like this to Mike Soroka after his amazing rookie season in 2019. Thats the salary of players in year 2 and 3. And no, he does not get credited with two years of service time for this year because he spent the whole year on the major league roster AND was a ROY finalist. Do you have a blog? Already Subscribed? 2 things: These guys are used to winning together, and I would expect that to continue. Even then, Strider still has to match two of the best young pitchers in the game over the next 5 years to even have that conversation, which is not likely. I dont know anything about bonuses with adjustments made to the new CBA. Many thanks to him. And we're still kind of mulling over what's the right thing for us and him and how to use him.. Enormous good sense like instead of his 2023 and 2024 contract only counting for $1M against the salary cap each year on a year-to-year deal, He now counts almost $15M against the cap even when hes making $1M a year. His FA years would go up from than final season of arbitration eligibility. Jansen and Duvall are gone after this yr. Morton, Odorizzi, Yates, and Rosario are gone after next yr. Ozuna will be gone after 2024. The estimates above are crazy. Agree on braves. Roy would give him a full year of service time but he already has the full year of service time. Id assume the player has a good argument for the latter. Thats only one example, but theres so much more risk on the free agent market (especially when looking for TOR arms) than locking up someone that could slot into that. https://www.mlb.com/news/daniel-camarena-grand-slam-off-max-scherzer, Wouldnt call him aging crap, but hes on the decline. the Commanders released Wentz in a cost-cutting measure that will save Washington $26.17 million against the 2023 salary cap. If the Rangers offer $250M to live in Texas with no state income tax, that saves as much as 5-10% off the top. Only a bust if he needs TJ or other major surgery in a year or two. Just saying. The average Plug and Play Tech Center hourly pay ranges from approximately $22 per hour for an Intern - Hourly to $69 per hour for a Partner Success Manager. Total Zone Rating and initial framework for Wins above Replacement calculations provided by Sean Smith. $1M (2023) The Atlanta #Braves today signed RHP Charlie Morton to a one-year contract worth $20 million for the 2023 season, with a $20 million club option for 2024 that does not include a buyout. Theyre both at hpme.. And Strider got lit up, choking in the only important game hes ever pitched in. Product executive enabling intelligent decisions through enriching and enhancing data and delivering it in awesome products. You sound like you have a community college education in accounting. Spencer Strider has played for 1 team, the Atlanta Braves. Thats pretty much the point: Those arbitration payouts are only worth it at about a 95%+ projection of his future value, whereas they should be paying close to the 50% projection if even that much. Braves dont even have enough to trade for a SS. To be fair, the Apple games are absolutely free for anyone to watch and with no blackouts, so thats not one of the bad deals. The dumb ones, like the Alderson-Eppler-Cohen Mets, traded 11 rWAR worth of MI for the privilege of giving Lindor $363m over 11 seasons because, as usual, they couldnt see what was right in front of them. Strider is now expected to join the Braves Opening Day roster in 2022. Your Shane Spencer strawman garbage makes no sense as a comp for any extension the Braves have executed. Cashman still living off of the Coattails of the late 90s Yankee teams and Derek Jeter. . You think that contract for Strider isnt a slap in the face to guys in that clubhouse? October 6, 2022: Atlanta Braves activated RHP Spencer Strider from the 15-day injured list. If they are playing in New York, they ask the team to pay their apartment rent or to finance the home they live in, they get extra money to offset the taxes. Padres fans loved it in 2017 when they locked him up, but carrying the last 3 years of that deal was brutal for them. Sure, lofty but possible. So they can hamstring their salary cap ceiling by an additional $14M each of the next two years? They might not be able to re-sign Swanson because of this deal adding $15M to the cap due to his cap adjusted salary and if they do, they no longer can pursue DeGrom or another big named pitcher. Braves put RHP Strider on IL with oblique strain, Scherzer tries to test pitch clock limits, gets balk, Jays' Guerrero to miss WBC with inflamed knee, Rangers, LHP Smith agree to 1-year, $1.5M deal, 7 Cubs combine for 1st spring no-no since 2017, Jays 'playing it safe' after Guerrero tweaks knee, PitchCom-tipping: Loud device leaks Twins calls, Eflin's first start after $40M deal impresses Rays. Talent and stats should already give a higher floor, they arent going to double that for the Julios, Adleys, and Spencers of the world. If Strider had 1.169 time on the MLB roster, then hed be a candidate for Super-Two next year, but hes got 1.003, so he wouldnt ever be classified Super-Two unless they send him down. For instance, John Blitzer tried saying Soto was worth almost $200M in excess value for 2.5 seasons, while still paying him $60M in salary. Braves need to sign Fried. Lol at a Met fan claiming another teams farm system pitcher turns into.garbage. Say hello to the countless Met pitchers that have done exactly that. Sorry for the redundancy the message from the site was confusing. @MJ: If you look at it from Striders perspective, hed be making a lot more money, regardless of where it comes from. Nonetheless, as weve seen with young position players in recent years, the market for these types of extensions can still advance rapidly. Inigo Montoya: You keep using that term, Super Two. It doesnt mean what you think it means. If you add those up, you get $77M. Great for Strider too, because he locks in generational guaranteed money. Free Agent: 2029, More Spencer Strider Pages at Baseball Reference, 2022 Braves Hope you enjoyed this seasons episode of LOLMets Choketober and made the appropriate notation in whatever book you refer to in your user name, the book of hurt I assume. LOL best rookie season ever. There certainly wasnt a universal belief the Mets would win the division since the Mets only was 77 games the prior season. Why? So with that logic, lets use his first two years of arbitration to show how much of an overpay the Strider deal is because Ohtani only got like $8.5M for year 1 and 2, with him being a full-time hitter as well. Same. If Free Agents make $40M in five years, if hes healthy, if he remains productive. Strider and AA both said theyd been talking about this extension since early September. Essentially they trade the risk that he gets hurt and produces nothing in one or more years for the free first free agent year, and the discounted second free agent year assuming hes healthy. But theyre the ones winning Championships while Im sitting at home typing on my laptop, so my opinion doesnt mean much. We already know its you. Spencer Strider has a net worth of $1,167,934. Strider has been significantly better than Harvey so far. Acuna had a 41/37 season after he signed, and was in his way to winning the MVP last year before the injury. Contracts are not based on the back end, they area based on value as a whole. Its not close. Spencer Strider made last year. Hes definitely Super Two. The $75MM guarantee for Strider shatters any prior precedent for pitchers with such limited experience. That wont continue. The Yankees have the fattest wallets, anywhere but NY wasnt really an option. Later in the season, he missed the season due to a torn UCL, which necessitated Tommy John surgery. He actually has only three days in 2021, so hell be close to the bottom of his class. You can project him to approach or even set some combination of Arb1, Arb2 and Arb3 records, and Strider would still probably come in under $50MM and thats assuming health and sustained dominance. Updated On January 29, 2023. Only long term deal we signed was lindor who is young in his prime. It would definitely be an anomaly if the Braves hit on all this extensions. I think there is some advantage, that doesnt show up on the balance sheet, when you lock in your young players. Thats the reverse logic he was trying to calculate for, but that doesnt make sense! Strider is expected to start in Game 1 of the series. They shouldve gotten at least 3 guaranteed free agent years plus an option year for that kind of heavy payout, and even then its unnecessarily risky for the team compared to other early career extensions. Win win for both sides. So yes, the Braves could have waited to see if he will continue to perform at the same level as he did in 2022 and if he does perform they would have paid that price. You dont pay max arb prices to save $8M. What it means is you get credited with a full year regardless of the actual number of days you spent on the roster and are affirmatively NOT a Super Two because you were given a full year of service time.