To make my point a bit more clear, I searched “Why we” in the header of my site. Or someone sent by Classical Conversations to do damage control since it is the sign-up season for CC. Regarding your next few sentences: I was aware of the guide situation, (I’m talking about the Memory Master section in the guide, by the way) However, the guide never says students MUST accomplish Memory Master, or Memory of Excellence. Truly. There is no requirement for you , the parent, to present the information the same way the tutor does. Except for the $85 registration fee that goes to corporate to pay for the website, staff – every dime paid in tuition/supply/site fees goes to the tutors – who almost always use the money to pay their own kids tuition – and the director, who uses most of it to pay for insurance, state licensing, etc. I’ve been in CC for 2 years now, signed up for a 3rd year and it has been a battle. I think I might look into something else. He was never made to feel less than or like he wasn’t keeping up with the class. It’s just some things that are unfortunately true of this company. I understand this approach is not for everyone, and that is completely okay. It almost always for the older kids who want the T-shirt and bragging rights – and even among the older kids, most don’t do the Memory Masters program. Fourth, it isn’t a babysitting service and nor should it be. There is a well-known and oft-repeated saying in gifted/2e and special needs circles. I think it is well-rounded to have all aspects. unless CC actually is the very first perfect homeschool program out there with perfect leaders, perfect curricula, perfect results. Based off of experience with MMS and MOE, I can inform you that if they gave any more grace and leisure than they already do, I repeat, everyone would do it, and it wouldn’t be as rewarding. These tutors are remembered as being among the best by families and, in their students’ families’ minds, these families attribute all of these wonderful experiences … to the company. In real life. No, they want the company to OWN their OWN. I was also a bit surprised because you’d think that as a mom you would want to stay with your child, gifted or not. My sister is professionally trained and she has a 5th grade inner-city class that is practically a daycare. It was explained to me that I could become a tutor to pay for it, but I did not want to take that on for a number of reasons (including the last reason we didn’t do CC). One might also balk at maintaining a school schedule as freedom is a key bonus of homeschooling. If you’ve met one gifted child, you’ve met one gifted child. And there is a screenshot of it. . I updated to CC 2019 yesterday and now when I use the transform tool, the squares on my image are gone. Welcome to Half-Price Auto Repair — West Bend’s trusted auto repair team since 2004! Regarding your statement “They approach children incorrectly and damage them.”: I hate to keep disagreeing with you, Mrs. Brooke, but I genuinely and respectful disagree, and here’s why: Although you’re right about CC not specifically encouraging “being nice”, respectful, etc. Many do their memory practice in the car. I now have a child who does not like to perform in any way, shape, or form. No, I will tell you what they did. Yes, I can absolutely embrace the fact that we can all do something different! Sallie, I just love your blog and your heart to help us with our own homeschooling journeys. A certain level of proper behavior is expected on behalf of the child, but children are allowed to wiggle, to dance, to sing and basicly be children. More possibilities. They would think that I did my research, made a judgement based on the information available to me, and move on. Have you read any dystopian novels? That situation was creepy-weird. But if I was the one who PRODUCED that map, I don’t get to decide that for my own company’s benefit I will try to spin my failures into making families feel shamed for even bringing up errors. I left out the majority of my stories. As a student, I find my perspective differently from yours, not only because you are an adult, but because you have taught, and I have not. I had five children in the program. That is really the focus of my entire website. Like I had mentioned, I did Super Memory Masters when I was 11 at a certain location. They wanted the TUTOR FORUM to be a “rah-rah” location and believed questions to be threatening. Click on any cover to see more details, including an editable preview file that you can try out! Look how much I would miss out on in that one day each week and what that would communicate to them if I didn’t want to be there with them. “Classical Conversations requires that parents stay for the entire time.” This reason made me really, really sad. If your car doesn't seem to ride like it used to, you may have a problem down below. I have considered CC myself several times, and several of my kids’ friends are in it. What are you afraid of? Hi Sallie, thanks for this article- very helpful for families who have similar questions about CC. Unlike the City of South Bend, where police say the COVID-19 pandemic may have depressed property crimes, St. Joseph County police reported an increase in thefts and burglaries in 2020. Our tutor put WAY more work into facilitating the education of our students than she was compensated for and in our case she certainly didn’t need any extra financial help. But that desire starts to creep up when I see these unhealthy defenses of a legitimate article that merely set out to say why something didn’t work for her family. If I dislike anything regarding CC, I dislike the corporate side and that’s it. The number of 50 degrees is completely unreasonable and not child-friendly. Do you want to keep insisting that I should have presented a more balanced post about CC listing all the pros and cons of the program? I am getting a warning reading on the dash - NO BEND AFS. That is what CC community is all about! But I have also been taught, whereas, you have not. I will wholeheartedly agree with you that the cost is a stretch for us and full disclosure, my gifted son still attends public school. While some families might find this rigidity a source of accountability, other families will find the rigidity stifling. We put my daughter in CC for Challenge B and it was one of the best choices we have made. And same here. In the end, we opted not to participate in CC. I can also show you a breakdown of how many people each month end up on this post because they searched in Google for some variation of “Is CC a cult?” and how many people search that on average in Google each month with the keyword tool I use. Thanks for writing this article! They can do major damage to a child who is ADD, one who is on the spectrum … and you NEED to know that CC’s training does NOT require anyone to know anything about these different children or to find out or to do a good job with them. I realize this comment was written three years ago, as were the rest of these comments. KL, I would suggest talking to your Challenge Director about how much this is hurting you and your family and asking him/her for their understanding of any underlying issus. There are so many factors to consider when choosing homeschooling materials and activities, aren’t there? I’d like to respond to your comments, but I’ve said what I needed to say. Secondly, the program is designed to have five specific areas on community day, new grammar, fine arts, science experiment based on the scientific method, presentations, and review games. Do what works for you and absolutely encourage other moms to do what works for them. Also, we are very math/science oriented and the time-sink into the writing assignments was so great that my kids didn’t have time to follow their passions. I also said that this was no personal attack against you, several times. Education is worth something, right? Read my full disclosure statement. I think that’s a pretty good deal, but each family needs to decide on what and where they want to spend their money. I would like to ask you a question also, how many communities have you been to (not visited, stayed at for at least a semester.)? Classical Conversations is honored that families who have children with different kinds of special needs like dyslexia, dysgraphia, or autism participate in the Foundations program. My impression as an outsider is that there are a lot of people hurting in CC, but there is nowhere to speak of it publicly for fear of the consequences. Don't stick with a class just because you bought the books. No. And you are correct that in class, they are to just recite all those memory facts and not to go deeper into the subjects. I have also seen lots of different kinds of students thrive on our campus. Early carbon fibre wheels were pretty dire when it came to stopping, but manufacturers have engineered their way out of those early problems. We are part of a classical co-op that formed independently after the group spent some years as an official CC group. And the multiple bad experiences of people around the nation are a testament to the health of this organization. So, when I tried to delete the “Evalyn C.” comment, I found there was no way of doing that. How do I turn off the new proportional scaling by default behavior while transforming layers? My daughter is gifted, and she is a very different style learner, which is why I am leaning toward home school. And don’t worry, CC does not send out people to attack pages like this, and I am not a mom, I can assure you, I just love writing, lol! It is very thoughtful of you to recognize how hard it was. Katherine, it doesn’t look good when you dismiss everyone who has had legitimate negative CC experiences. The admin might say that we are responsible for teaching our kids at home (yes, we are) but by 9th grade I wanted valuable instruction and discussion during their hours at the co-op, not for my kids to spend time with a bunch of teenagers in a room. The other kids in her group are great, it’s just the mothers. You also apparently did not read the additional comments I made in this comment thread regarding why I write what I write on my site. Anyway, God bless you and have a lovely day. I have to create a new document, insert a text and the bounding box reappears. But most other people don’t catch up for awhile, sometimes a very long while. You will always leave Rick’s Auto Service feeling confident in our work and pleased with our auto repair services. It isn’t appropriate for adults to argue with a child on a blog. Error: Bend Lighting (AFS) Had it for the first time tonight so I stopped and turned off the engine and restarted. And then they ended with trying to play the God card by saying, “But don’t worry. Are you aware that there are MAJOR issues with the business structure? The reason I remember the feeling of shame so vividly is because it completely blindsided me. Also - am pretty unhappy at the changes to free transform tool. Texas has dozens of them. I am sorry to hear you are receiving messages that offend you, and they should be more careful with their words. Thank you for your kind words about my blog and what I do here. Strong familiarity will often meet the case. It is a strong program and it is GREAT for some. We are in the latter group. Get animated. You can disagree and think it’s wonderful. So if the goal is that people can get into a building, then design it so people can get in. Odd, but true. Are you sure you want that? Many, many, many of these games are competitive in nature and rely on children being quick and able to remember word for word, zero mistakes. You seem old enough to be given accurate information and to withstand discussion. The whole reason for me seeking out & paying for education is because I feel ill-equipped in areas where my student needs support-we found that an “introduction” to the concept was NOT what we signed up for. Your email address will not be published. Students with many different abilities and capabilities enjoy, benefit from, and are valuable members of our local CC communities. I paid $12/week tuition for a 3 hour CC class that included art/music and a science lab (which I would not have done at home because like I said, I am not a teacher by nature.) This one doesn't make sense to me at all. The material to be presented is so challenging that parents have to be there to learn how to do it at home, but anyone can learn to be a tutor in a few short training sessions. The Foundations program wouldn’t have fit my 2 older kids and it would have been torture for me, but my younger one loves the Foundations program. And I am right there with you regarding the perfectionism and the perfectionist tendencies. now it's back again, must have needed to be restarted. I’m going to say that there are absolutely wonderful things I remember about our years in the program. I’ve approved EVERY SINGLE POSITIVE CC comment in this thread. One of the most popular homeschooling programs currently available is Classical Conversations (CC). In fact, so many of them have no experience or skills. The thing is, the experiences people have had don’t always represent the overarching management (whether they’ve had a good or bad experience). Homeschooling 2e kids is a journey with many twists and turns. So they aren’t making apples to apples comparisons. I should have been more clear with what I was agreeing within that comment: “they are still allowed to wiggle and dance” is truly what I was agreeing to, but I see now that wasn’t very clear, and I apologize. She’s making judgements about what might work for her child and what probably won’t. An autonomous MIDI expression pedal for sending CC events (e.g. . We live in a fairly affluent area, but we are not well-to-do ourselves relative to a significant portion of the population around us. Thank you for sharing about your family’s experience with CC and how you have adapted through the years to make homeschooling work for you. When you are parenting a child who doesn’t fit the normal parameters, you look at everything very differently. That was their version of “grace”. And guess what…the world NEEDS Christians in all walks of life so let’s cut each other some slack and celebrate one another. Hey, your kids go to public school? We did our own math because Saxon is horrible and he didn’t get it. Bottom line, CC was not for us and I felt guilty because we could not get with the program. What is professional training? Then LEigh Bortins, who started it, realized these highschool kids didn’t know foundational things that were critical to what they needed to know in high school, so she developed the Foundations program, which is all the memory work. I remember my director lying and saying food was not allowed in a particular room because she didn’t want my good bye party to happen. Now I have an option to create some outstanding visuals for my text without things looking like amateur hour. The National Park posted to social media that they received up to 24 inches of snow overnight. I have went through all my workspaces and nothing is working. This solution did not work for me, neither did the legacy compositing. I agree that CC is not perfect, and that it is not a good fit for some families. Over and over and over I see comments from insulted CCers any time anyone provides a negative review. I’m aware of non-Christian families who are members as well as families who do not adhere to biblical mandates. No. That’s not what my readers look for from me. I actually have no desire to “out” them for their behavior or tell my big long story. Also, they class leaders are called tutors because the parents are the primary teachers. My 12 year old will teach a subject. The majority of the answers are: You just don’t understand the classical method. At that time we had been participating in a Christian drop-off co-op which we really liked (and still do to this day). But CC claims to follow the ways of God and then uses God’s ways when trying to control people. There is no “right” way to do CC at home, a family adapts it to their schedule, learning styles, and desires. Looks like someone is trying to school you. S1, Ep9. . Returns with another non or partial answer. to bend over [forward] sich vorbeugen to bend over sb./sth. Of course, that doesn’t mean they continue to inspire and allow creativity in that as the years go by, but at least in Foundations they do it. They apparently do allow for a teeny teeny tiny bit of room for Mastery versus Perfection.). I’m not discouraged by the negative comments whether they are here or on Facebook. I really do not know the CC you speak of. And like I said, I don’t actually desire to tell my story. CAMPBELL BIOLOGY WITH MASTRGBIO&STUDY GD PKG (9th Edition) Edit edition. I see homeschool mamas so laser focused on how they do things that we can often take others opinions of the curriculums we use as personal attacks. sich über jdn./etw. the $ (which is far greater than $12 a day that is often touted by CC Corp – if one counts the cost of tuition for foundations alone – excluding the exorbitant registration fee, which just jumped from $85/student to $155/student- just the tuition alone is more than $13/day… but that’s before tons of other fees). I read and appreciate each one even if I am unable to respond. The reality was that I desperately needed a different curriculum and a different pace for my son! And the company has created an environment that allows for some pretty bad situations. If kids do not complete the work (upper levels) or do not have the memory work down pat in the lower levels, they are not looked down upon. I had an opportunity to witness something similar and noticed the element of pride. I really liked the IEW but the course had us doing 2 lessons each week and skipped some crucial teaching that we later needed to know. But my kids are all gifted in the PG range, and two are 2E. Every 2e kid is different so what works brilliantly for one may be a disaster for another. For us the writing assignments were too vague and there wasn’t enough support for the students. However, I have also dealt with the bad ones, just like your experiences. Car problem(s) ... Jun 14, 2018 - West Bend, WI - Engine TRIED TO START THE CAR AND THE TIMING CHAIN TENSIONER FAULTED CAUSING THE VALVES TO BREAK. We personally use it as our spine, but other families in our community use Tapestry of Grace or Sonlight and CC as supplement. Thank you for sharing this! Much of the problem had to do with heat buildup. It's because 99% of the time you should want your layer to scale proportionately. Of course, whatever floats your boat. A memorization competition that demands perfection? But she lied to someone who was not at our community, so she got away with it. I kept trying to make it fit because I was new to homeschooling and thought maybe I just needed to work harder. People say over and over again that it’s not like that in “their” CC group and everyone is so loving and supportive. It’s the only time we get a parenting break ever. Thursday, May 6, 2010 hu says he never wavered from his desire to become a classical saxophone soloist. I would hate for someone to read this and think that every single community is rigid and perfectionist and performance driven. I can only show people how we think through decisions we make for our family and I know my readers love that about my site. It’s completely normal and part of being gifted for many. Excitabilities: They appear to be over-excited about what others deem to be nothing. Memory Masters isn’t at all designed for everyone. Here at the rescue it is my job to welcome new pals into the CBSBR family. Reports about the Galaxy S20 FE touchscreen issues came to light not long after Samsung released its budget flagship. In Bloom’s Taxonomy of thought, he lists it as so in order from least challenging to most: remember, understand, apply, analyze, evaluate, create. I am definitely the person who leans towards negative reviews to see if the negatives are something that would make a program not work for me and I decided that some of the features I DO like about CC I can just get the stuff and do it myself at home. Do yourself a favor – don’t bother with it. To grow in wisdom and discernment, check it out: Christian Women Seeking Truth. That’s why I would love to see more university models start. This can happen after a while of ownership and there are several common reasons that you can look for. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. For those on the fence-if you have several campuses close by, I would recommend checking them all out. I perhaps shouldn’t have responded: Your objective in rejecting CC is based on your perception, and you are of course entitled to that. We were in the program for seven years. Are you aware of the answers given to people who have questions who then go to their directors? I’m listing these in roughly the order of importance for our particular family, starting with the most important. The beauty of homeschooling is being able to discover what works for our child and do it with the full confidence that we’ve made the best choice for our individual child at that moment in her learning experience. But hey … mediocrity is better than excellence, right? My only intention in writing this post was to walk people through MY decision-making process for MY child. If you looked at the small print at the bottom, this beautiful graphic showing how amazing Challenge grads are … was compiled from 24 self reports. You’re in a different season. 600 45.00 54. Memorization may not be everyone’s cup of tea. To me, it sounds as if CC is making an accommodation. Especially when they are defending their choice and giving their perspective on things. I remember being told that my director didn’t like it that people wanted their children in my class. But I did get the drift when I broached the cost concern that went something like this, “But dont you want to give your kids the best?” Why yes, yes I do. I updated to CC 2019 yesterday and now when I use the transform tool, the squares on my image are gone. So it’s coming from somewhere. I very much appreciate this review. They were just being over controlling and trying to get rid of someone who wasn’t a sheep who followed every word from the program (who never ever wanted to improve or admit fault). And then there is the occasional company that believes negatives couldn’t possibly exist in their perfectly designed program. They just kind of make up their own version of what classical is and then call it “classical”. But this does NOT, like I keep repeating, mean that every community is this way! I remember being told about a tutor who scowled the entire day, “A tutor is not required to smile.” I remember being told (when discussing the difficulties of a tutor whose students were leaving crying each day), I was told directly to not worry about it because, “It’s only one day out of the week.”. The reason provided is that the parents need to see the tutor demonstrating how to use the materials and how to present the information. 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