That makes sense, but I think the midichorian crap shows the potential of a Force user to manipulate the Force. To me, it makes no sense considering previous movie canon and the words of GL on the OT (Luke being equivalent potential to Anakin). I don't know. Don’t make me destroy you. Even traversing a battlefield without getting hit, while simply walking. I blame Kathleen"the force is female" Kennedy. I want him more powerful in that way. The Rise Of Skywalker's twist on Rey's heritage has echoes of the infamous "Khan" twist in director JJ Abrams' Star Trek: Into Darkness; namely, it's more of a twist for the audience than the characters.Luke had true reasons to hate Darth Vader, the man had killed Obi-Wan Kenobi and tortured Luke's friends, so discovering the truth hit the young Jedi personally. Luke's path to becoming a Jedi Master was a slow and steady one, barely picking up a lightsaber during the course of A New Hope. A key moment in the finale of Star Wars was Luke relying on his instincts and abilities with the Force to bypass his targeting computer to shoot a proton torpedo to blow up the Death Star. Luke’s Force ability hasn’t abated, but physically he can’t do all the shit he used to. I think she is more powerful than Luke or Anakin was. By Patrick Cavanaugh Emperor Palpatine said Anakin Skywalker, who was willed to life by the Force, could be more powerful than any Jedi. I want Luke to be "great moments" powerful. A powerful-as-holy-fuck Luke Skywalker would tear the roof off every movie theater on the planet. which were roughly the same size as the Death Star's vulnerable weakness, would be a better pilot thanks to the power of the Force in some mysterious way, take the Sith off guard long enough for Starkiller Base's destruction to interrupt their duel, being more powerful than any other hero we've seen in the Star Wars saga up to this point, because also she didn’t ask for anything in the first one. No, however if Rey is this powerful inexperienced, imagine how powerful she would be once she's trained. Press J to jump to the feed. It has to be him! Rey is likely one of these favorites, as was Anakin. If you are experiencing any problems, or have any issues please use the report function or do no hesitate to contact our moderators directly. Rey, Rey had no idea who either Luke or Anakin was. He tells her in The Last Jedi that he's only seen one other person with such power, and that's Kylo … But she still was the central protagonist. Star Daisy Ridley recently addressed these insults, calling out "fans" who refer to her as a Mary Sue as being sexist. However, once Luke fully embraced his power in Star Wars: Return of the Jedi, he proved that he was indeed stronger than Darth Vader and struck his father down. The Force is what's powerful, not the user. I like that way of expressing it. Rey didn't see much hand-to-hand combat in The Force Awakens, yet, after tapping into her latent Force abilities, is able to briefly best Kylo Ren in combat, despite his skills. "Powerful" is subjective. Kyp Durron was one of the most powerful Force users Luke ever encountered. All of this concludes to one simple truth: Rey is more powerful than Luke Skywalker. He’s still self-sufficient, but he’s old. Rey could also be more powerful if she is Rey Random and has been chosen by the Force itself. I agree. She's already done better than Luke did in the OT. If Rey is this powerful now and trains to become even more powerful, she's basically on the Chosen One level. “I don’t buy the Mary Sue thing anyway. Seeing the future. Continue this thread level 1. Not only can Kylo freeze a blast midway, but he can also use the Force to freeze people where they stand, as seen when he froze Rey when he was hunting her down. Star Wars: Is Rey More Powerful Than Luke? 0. share. They didn’t just create a female character highly attuned to the Force and then just leave it and tucked it away. She may not currently be… I find the term sexist in itself because it’s, ‘Mary Sue’. Like Luke wasn't, once. It's possible that the explanation is no more simple than Rey potentially being more powerful than any other hero we've seen in the Star Wars saga up to this point. He needed to be trained by Yoda on Dagobah, while Rey … Even Anakin can’t overcome the power of the almighty High Ground. This doesn't confirm that Rey is a better warrior than Kylo Ren, but rather shows she was strong enough with the Force to take the Sith off guard long enough for Starkiller Base's destruction to interrupt their duel. Emperor Palpatine said Anakin Skywalker, who was willed to life by the Force, could be more powerful than any Jedi. Some fans believe Luke is more powerful than any other Force user, though others mentioned Yoda, Rey… John Boyega was responding on Twitter to an article about a Star Wars comic that seemingly showed Rey to be more powerful than both Anakin and Luke … It was only his son, Luke, who could stand up to him. In The Force Awakens, Rey appeared to be nothing more than a scavenger, seeking out pieces of downed ships and vehicles to trade in for meals. Luke had true reasons to hate Darth Vader, the man had killed Obi-Wan Kenobi and tortured Luke's friends, so discovering the truth hit the young Jedi personally. Without witnessing his training regimen or even being aware of whether he trained at all, Luke was able to defeat Vader at the end of Return of the Jedi. In the few days since the Battle of Starkiller Base, she progressed from needing to attempt the mind trick several times before succeeding, to moving dozens of heavy rocks at once and she was able to match Ren in a Force-wrestle for a lightsaber. Lets go over Star Wars The Last Jedi and Star Wars The Force Awakens when it comes to Rey! If she is just some random nobody then yes it would bother me. We also know that Rey is much more powerful than Luke. Anakin was the chosen one, but defeated by Obi Wan, Whois more powerful? This makes people perceive those with more (Anakin) as more powerful than those with less (Obi-Wan). Yes she will because it's obvious from the trailer and what she showed in TFA that she will be. Yoda could… Rey may have more raw power than Kyp but he has spent years honing his powers and learning about … She's not "there" yet. 3 years ago. "When I was doing it, I never felt sure of what was going on. It’s like watching your dad age. Please be reasonable and open-minded. Kylo is much the same, but he’s hindered by his internal conflict, especially after killing Han. Registered: Dec 16, 1999. Is Luke Skywalker more powerful than any other Force user? Luke is the same age as Qui-Gon and younger than Dooku, Palpatine, etc. I have to say Luke was the more powerful at his current state as he is still living but no individual outside of the expanded universe had more influence on the galaxy than Darth Sidious. 2582 posts Member. No, however if Rey is this powerful inexperienced, imagine how powerful she would be once she's trained. People may say that Rey is a Mary Sue but I feel she is a Mary Sue for a very good reason which we'll learn later on. She could be tier 3 as a Jedi Knight and tier 0 as Jedi Master. If she is his daughter then no it wouldn't bother me. They’re more like quirks in the system. 2 Can Defeat: Kyle Katarn Plus Starkiller Base and the Mega Class ship that is 60km long. Its kind of binary for me. Rey is the modern poster-girl for a Mary Sue, and here are the reasons why she is one and Luke Skywalker most certainly is not. Forget also the whole illogical worldbuilding and all other flaws the sequels had. December 10, 2016 7:34PM. He has very little power to tap into, but he is capable of using that tiny power to do great things. People are conduits for the Force and he’s an old man now. Weaker - The Rest Of The Jedi High Council. For example, the Jedi in the PT couldn’t “feel” the will of the Force as well because the Dark Side clouded them, so they were blindsided even if the will of the Force was for them to live. In the few days since the Battle of Starkiller Base, she progressed from needing to attempt the mind trick several times before succeeding, to moving dozens of heavy rocks at once and she was able to match Ren in a Force-wrestle for a lightsaber. The Sequels portrays her as doing feats much stronger feats than Yoda himself in lifting stones, and Jake, I mean, Luke mentions that he has “raw strength” that makes him afraid, but we never actually see any of that. Star Wars Speculation is a community dedicated to speculative discussion of the Star Wars franchise. This was why I was disappointed in "badass Yoda". Although I feel a young Yoda would easily best him since he is probably the most trained and capable Jedi. In fact, he may be more powerful than Darth Vader in many aspects. All rights reserved. Sure, he didn’t always win in a fight, but he always had the potential strength and used his wits to learn the path to victory by delving further into Force knowledge. You have only begun to discover your power. vin Chosen One. 7 Weaker Than Yoda: Exar Kun Idk if this is making sense. I'm even fine with the natural truth that, yes, an athletic, badass young woman with some crude Force moments might just kick him off his feet or overpower an old man. Thank you and May the Force Be With You! Now, keep in mind this theory isn’t saying Obi-Wan is packed to the gills with midi-chlorians, hence he is number one. Replies. 9 ANAKIN - More Powerful But, when the island they stand on shakes because Luke breathed it to move? I think Luke will be powerful in the sense that he is better experienced and trained and understands the force more than anyone else. For example, Anakin could probably overpower any other Force user holding all else equal. If Rey will become a sith she will be unstoppable. I would be fine if Rey has better telekinesis or something, but i wouldn’t feel comfortable with her being all-around better than Luke in every single way: telekinesis, telepathy, precognition, sword play, etc. It didn't come as a surprise to many fans that Rey could use the Force, but few knew how powerful she would become. We actually get to see a bit of an Abeltoh-like being in Solo: A Star Wars Story. Exactly. “There is no escape. No one else!” As life goes on and characters grow old and die (Yoda for example), there will always be someone else stronger to take their place. There’s also been many who have claimed to be more powerful than Vader, who in reality, aren’t. Its not like Kylo Ren is going to put on a DBZ scouter and freak out when he realizes that Rey's power level is over 9000. Hearing minds. Anakin Skywalker has had one of the most tragic story arcs in all of Star Wars, starting off as a promising young Jedi… Filled with some legendary Jedi, the Jedi Council may … And it makes it easier for those favorites to use the Force's power. We also know that Rey is much more powerful than Luke. Marvel's Journey to Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker -- Allegiance #4 goes on sale Oct. 30. More powerful than Yoda, Luke or even the one prophesied to bring balance to the Force, Anakin Skywalker. What I think of as "great moments" powerful. He’s been powerful most of his life but he hasn’t been at his peak for years. While some fans felt those powers came too easily, it isn't much different than Luke Skywalker's own journey as a Jedi. Rey and Kylo don't exactly have a duel in The Last Jedi, yet they do briefly face one another using their Force abilities in hopes of wielding Anakin's former lightsaber, resulting in a stalemate. Forget also the whole illogical worldbuilding and all other flaws the sequels had. Though Luke Skywalker was said to have bested her in an expanded universe story, there really isn’t a clear way to completely defeat Abeloth, as she is a force entirely separate and altogether more chaotic than any single Jedi. According to Luke Skywalker, Ren was far more powerful than Rey, but Rey's powers were quickly growing. Rey, as daughter of Luke, when she is a Jedi Knight, will be tier 4, like Anakin and Luke. 0. I don't want kylo to be more powerful than luke either. I don’t like the thought of “No, Luke is the most powerful! Rey's humble beginnings are also more significant than Anakin's, ... 4 REY: Powerful Light Drawn To The Dark. People seem to have an issue elevating Rey over Luke for one of two reasons: the nostalgia factor, because Luke has always represented the sheer mastery of the Force to them; and...because she’s a girl. She was supposedly 12 times more powerful than Luke, but really, her feats are better. Well yes, but actually no. A key moment in The Last Jedi involves Luke claiming to have only seen raw power like Rey's once before, which was when he attempted to train Kylo, then known as Ben Solo. Kylo Ren/Ben Solo, who was nicknamed the Jedi Killer, showed a similar unwavering strength until Rey showed up in his life and made his powers look like child's play. This reinforces that, sure, Rey might currently be more powerful than the Skywalkers, but in the grand scheme of things, she's also shaping up to be the strongest Jedi of all time. Rey is more naturally powerful in the force than Ahsoka, who is simply a well trained Jedi with fairly average force potential as far as I can tell. The Force is what's powerful, not the user. I could imagine him moving mountains, you know? That will be so cool to happen because Rey is already more powerful without a training than Ren who have years of training. Snoke may already be stronger than Palpatine. Without knowing much about these skills, Rey was able to out-maneuver First Order pilots while escaping Jakku. The idea that choices -- there are things more powerful than blood, as Luke says. Audiences saw Rey pilot a speeder, learning little else about her abilities at steering a spacecraft like the Millennium Falcon. After the events of Return of the Jedi, it's a safe bet that Luke became even more powerful than Vader and would've been able to overpower Vader with even more ease if he needed to. Report Save. He needed to be trained by Yoda on Dagobah, while Rey … I grew up with the prequels in theaters and OT Star Wars being one of the few VHS/DVDs that I owned when I was a kid. I don’t think there’s a thing called ‘Ryan Craig,’" Ridley pointed out during a recent interview. If Rey is more powerful, I feel that there will need to be a very good explanation for this. I think it's all been taken out of context, even in-universe. Once the prize Jedi Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader was born out of hate, jealousy, rage, selfishness, and ego. Luke's path to becoming a Jedi Master was a slow and steady one, barely picking up a lightsaber during the course of A New Hope. It is a different style of cinema, the OT in general was less like a video game and more … That's power. It is a different style of cinema, the OT in general was less like a video game and more like real people. With Luke having encountered Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda and Darth Vader, the assumption is that both Kylo and Rey are stronger than them all, or that Luke doesn't really know what he's talking about and his instincts being wrong. It was through her scavenging that she came across BB-8 and her entire adventure began. Though many fans like to wrongly act as though Rey is a character full of nothing but sunshine and flowers, from day one, Rey has been a character full of rage and suffering. Without any training. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Unlike his father, he resisted the dark side, which makes him more powerful. The sequel trilogy’s “real” big bad up until The Last Jedi seemed like it was going … Luke Skywalker inherited Anakin's abilities with the force, but he was able to control his power more than Anakin. The idea that choices -- there are things more powerful than blood, as Luke … It's my opinion that the Force has favorites among it's users. Users draw off of that power, and are capable of drawing more power with more midichlorians. Jaina would easily overwhelm Rey even in a contest of Force powers just because of her sheer experience. I felt like Original Trilogy Yoda was awesomely powerful. Fanbases always love to debate "Is character x more powerful than character y" but that assumes that character x is superior to character y in every possible measure, which is simply unrealistic, because different people have their various strengths and weaknesses and nobody (well... almost nobody) is simply better at everything than someone else. It’s not a sort of self-centered power that she’s just exhibiting,because also she didn’t ask for anything in the first one.”. Kylo himself has the potential to become stronger than Darth Vader. For decades, debates have raged which side is more powerful than the other in the Star Wars Universe. Its not like Kylo Ren is going to put on a DBZ scouter and freak out when he realizes that Rey's … Even Aankin wouldn't have been to pull off the stuff she did without training. I don't care if Luke can whip anyone's ass at all. One of these debates, which has caused a vast amount of controversy, relates to Rey's abilities with the Force, yet many fans might be ignoring the most obvious answer: Rey is more powerful than Luke. December 10, 2016 7:46PM. I have a problem with fans who for some reason neglect this detail as if no one is trying to explain to us the why. The Force Awakens introduced Rey as a scavenger that traded downed ships and semi-precious spare parts for a day’s meal. But Obi-Wan never once swayed away from the light side of the Force. To wrap up, I believe you can make a further argument that Rey is exhibiting more power with the Force than EITHER of the elder Skywalkers. As a "raw Jedi", she would be tier 6, like Luke was in Empire. Rey is the modern poster-girl for a Mary Sue, and here are the reasons why she is one and Luke Skywalker most certainly is not. 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