But the only trouble was that when the relatives were interviewed they kept coming up with a different story. Nell Rose (author) from England on September 24, 2020: Thanks GS. I watched this just today ... What a story ! Seems to me that Simon Murray's family should have some insurance records of the painting from before the painting was found on the dump. A barrister represented Selina Varney (now Rendall) in the title dispute with Shirley Rountree (Rountree v Rendall) turning on the English and Irish laws of: In 2018 a court battle was still going over ownership of the painting. After the initial shock, Tony decided to let the Antiques Roadshow investigate how such a great Painting could end up on a rubbish dump in Ireland. Homer had then given their descendants the Painting as a gift.  Clifford Schorer says the painting was used as security for a loan and that he is now entitled to it, the Blake family having failed to make a claim in a US court.  Ms. Varney was flown to New York to observe the sale. Thanks for reading. thanks for reading, nell. to be worth 100,000 when he would know that she originally expected to make 30,000 on the sale (the figure quoted on the Antiques Roadshow). Clifford J. Schorer, Producer: Plutonium Baby. So the intrigue goes on! Nell Rose (author) from England on December 01, 2014: Thanks so much for reading angiiiii, and yes I totally agree with you, what is wrong with these people? Nell Rose (author) from England on March 05, 2018: Its a weird situation Paul. The work was painted in the Bahamas in 1885. Its just ridiculous now, surely they can sort something out? Nell Rose (author) from England on July 14, 2020: Not sure what you mean by Goldfinch? Nell Rose (author) from England on June 09, 2015: Hi Linda, yep I did wonder if it was that Clifford Shorer, I looked him up. The one advantage of all the publicity surrounding the story is that the Painting will increase in price. Hello! they binned it, simple as that, and they just won't give up, greedy! The hosts were indulging him and his significant proof of provenance, I get it, but did not mention that this has NOTHING to do with proof of ownership. LOL! In 1859 he opened a studio in New York City. Kasnije se preorijentirao na slikanje uljenim bojama, da bi kasnije radio u akvarelu. Winslow Homer (Boston, 24 februari 1836 – Prout's Neck, Maine, 29 september 1910) was een Amerikaans lithograaf, tekenaar en kunstschilder.Hij wordt door velen beschouwd als de belangrijkste Amerikaanse schilder uit de 19e eeuw. He doesn't need to prove the painting is rightfully his, he just needs to cast doubt over the ownership so that the painting can't be sold. , The painting was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV programme, Fake or Fortune? Nell Rose (author) from England on September 13, 2014: I would seek out a lawyer pro bono or on fixed fee, and challenge Sotheby's... for wrongful possession. I think we should start a "raise the funds" Paige for selina, get her her Original 30k for her kids and she cN do away with all this crap and have a wonderful life!! As far as Tony was concerned it was just another pretty water colour that happened to have been thrown away. IF (and for only two letters, that's a very big word) Simon Murray's very convenient photocopies of his great-great-granny's diary mention that Winslow Homer promised to present her with a "sketch" of her three children in their costumes from the ball. That of course is what would happen if Selina agreed.  He gave the painting to his daughter Selina Varney. It’s utterly disgusting to hear him ridicule Selena and her family by making the ironic remark that her sole aspirations are to buy swimming pools and cars. Just stopped by to see if this mess has been resolved yet. Nothing like this had ever happened to her.  Tom Christopherson, European General Counsel for Sotheby's, said that the Murrays were contacted by Sotheby's, as part of routine due diligence, prior to the auction. Being most profficient in both water colours and oil, he soon became very well known. No one will ever know. I do know of her. Thanks houseofcharm. They made the mistake of letting go of the painting somehow. There are no police record of break in or theft, and no insurance records. surely he would have noticed something missing over 20 years for goodness sake! Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer. Family does not deserve it or the painting itself. There shouldn't have been a problem. I personally think Selena had a good case. I hope Selina would win the case and get all the money. Unless there is something else we don't know, but anyway, thanks so much for the update, I wish the stalemate would end, it must be driving her and the family nuts! Regardless of what legal decision will ultimately be made in the case, Simon Murray is a spoiled little weasel who seems to think that inherited money and fancy words hides his low character. Selina is a part time carer, and has four children. Despite their honest purchase or acquisition, they were considered to have received "stolen goods". There was no burglary, as the Blakes stated in the first place. Selina refused the offer. If they could be grateful for the find and offer her half the money, I think she would accept it. Winslow Homer (1836–1910) is regarded by many as the greatest American painter of the nineteenth century. Without an injuction, without any form off proof, the other party had stopped the sale! The fact is, this watercolor, unframed, was tucked away in the pages of a scrapbook and it's more than likely the family tossed it out with no idea anything valuable was in it, which is their problem. Sadly, there isn't any change on the horizon. When asked why he wanted to sell the painting, he stated that, 'Myrtle Grove, the family house needs a lot of renevating and we need the money for that'! And of course figure out if it was a fake or the real thing. The Painting was going up for sale at Sotheby's. The Blakes are entitled to nothing. Why can they keep a urn that they found and Selina can not keep a picture her family rescued? Being self taught, he practised with water colours and started his career as a commercial illustrator. If the family don't have the records then the insurers might have these records. TV's, sofa's, chairs and broken pieces of rubbish that they no longer want. , On the day before the sale, Simon Murray (the great grandson of Sir Henry Blake) claimed ownership of the painting on behalf of the family. Home to the Blakes. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 30, 2015: Thanks angiiii, I try to keep it polite on here, I have learned my lesson in the past! This does not need litigation. I even wrote to Sotheby's! if you don't want to write details here, just email me, go to my profile page, down the right hand side till you get to Fan Male, click on there and then send me an email okay? Chances are the painting would have been crushed by the garbage truck's jaws and deposited at the nearest dump. It gets worse. To reclaim the painting the Blakes would have to prove that it was more likely than not that the painting belonged to them and, rather than being sold or abandoned, it had either been lost or was stolen from them. I gather it was on TV or in the paper, and you took the story and made it into a great hub. Unfortunately, I have a bit of experience in trying to get Sotheby's to sell a piece. Simon Murray, Sir Henry's great great grandson, gave an interview on camera stating that actually yes they did know of it, and refused to budge on the issue. Homer had Painted the picture when they had all met up abroad. In October 2013, the London Evening Standard reported that Shirley Rountree (Simon Murray's mother and a descendant of Sir Henry Blake) was suing Sotheby's for "return" of the painting. I am not sure if its still going on, but at least she was clever enough to sell it on. You would not break into a house, steal an old picture without a frame, take it outside, look at it then throw it on the dump! She was very surprised to hear about it. Prime Winkel-wagen. that was a great read Nell.. it is sad that there is still no outcome! Audrey Selig from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma on May 15, 2015: Hi Nell You certainly wrote on a popular topic and received lots of responses. Winslow Homer is bekend voor origineel oplossingen in zijn art work. He can't just take the painting without showing on paper that she put the painting up as collateral. After being bought by a third party it is no longer Selina's problem, but I would imagine it is still being disputed. At the date of transmission of the programme (26 June 2011) ownership was still the subject of a legal dispute. Winslow Homer's Children Under a Palm Tree. Good luck with it, as you can see by the Series, it can eventually be done but it does take time, good luck and thanks for reading. It is a simple mediator trick. It was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV series Fake or Fortune? Nell Rose (author) from England on May 11, 2019: Thanks, Ana, I totally agree. Nell Rose (author) from England on December 16, 2013: Couldn't have said it better, Angiiii!  It measures 14 inches by 20 inches and depicts the three children of Sir Henry Blake, the colonial governor of the Bahamas at the time. But yes I totally agree with you, I never ran a pub but worked in one and yes hard work! Like hell it was! Obviously not in this case. Drats! Probeer. Clifford Schorer says Selena Varney (used the painting as security for a loan. bio je američki slikar i grafičar, poznat po pejzažima i pomorskim motivima, te kao jedan od najznačajnih likovnih umjetnika u SAD-u u 19. stoljeću.Bio je samouki umjetnik, a karijeru je započeo kao ilustrator za novine. "Finders keepers" does not apply in all situations or jurisdictions. Winslow Homer - beroemde schilderijen collectie. This, say the Blakes is irrefutable proof that the painting is theirs. Thanks for reading. It is quite possible that what was presented to the governor's wife was a preliminary sketch, from which Homer painted his work to sell back in the United States. She had also been given the Auction Catalogue which shows clearly the Painting and the sale price. Uniek aanbod (tweedehands) boeken. My personal belief is that either the Blakes who live there now, had the house cleared out, and all the rubbish was taken to to rubbish dump. It said that late in life, Homer had become a recluse in Maine, so I was curious as to how and where he would've met up with the Blakes to do "Children" in the first place. Kunstenaar: Winslow Homer - alle werken van deze kunstenaar als kunstdruk, als olieverfschilderij of op dibond/acrylglas. Taking the search further they realised that one of the other paintings found, had a connection to Homer, and the search was on to try and find out more about the story. As usual, the only winners will be the lawyers. Imogen French from Southwest England on October 05, 2020: Fascinating story. The latest news on this amazing story is that Clifford Schorer a rich entrepreneur, says he loaned Selena Rendall an unspecified amount of money in 2012, and she backed the loan with the painting - which is estimated to be worth as much as $250,000. He also practised printmaking. The story starts on a day way back in the 1980s. But she didn't. In this exciting new monograph, Professor Griffin provides fresh insight into the life and work of one of America's most-famous and best-loved artists. He learned that the work, Children Under a Palm Tree, had most likely been painted by Winslow Homer. After investigation, they found that the painting was indeed an authentic Winslow Homer. we want details! If the courts decide the picture belongs to the Blakes, it is a loss to to Schorer, not Selena. Nell Rose (author) from England on February 18, 2016: Yes you are right Bobby, I do believe though that Selina though has got the better deal now, she has sold it on, so thank goodness for that! You always find the most interesting subjects to write about. What a roller coaster ride for Selina ! He left two years later to begin free-lance illustration. He then went on to make an insulting remark about Selina and her family. First of all yes I totally understand what you mean about Simon Murray's so called evidence, of course it can't possibly prove where the painting went, how, or why. Thanks so much for confirming the story, nell. This woman and her Dad are the legitimate owners, and left it foar too late to cause this chaos. Sigh. No police report, no proof it was stolen. He soon turned his talent to oil painting. I do wish we could get a more up to date answer though. To him this lawsuit represents a personal challenge, since he has nothing to lose. Nell Rose (author) from England on January 29, 2018: Me too! The losers in this situation is that little tool who needs his face bashed in, Simon Murray. I think there must be a statute of limitations of some sort in this case -- you shouldn't be able to suddenly report a theft 25 years after the fact and establish ownership of an object as stolen goods that are rightfully yours.  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